What changed for the Rogue in WoW Forever

New talents (9)

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  Mutilate Assassination, row 5, 1 rank

  Max rank: Instantly attacks with both weapons for 75% weapon damage plus an additional 13 with each weapon. Damage increased by 20% against Poisoned targets. Awards 2 Combo Points.

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  Venom Assassination, row 7, 1 rank

  Max rank: Finishing move that increases the damage of your Poisons by 30% and your chance to apply Poisons by 10%. Lasts longer per combo point: 1 point : 9 sec 2 points: 12 sec 3 points: 15 sec 4 points: 18 sec 5 points: 21 sec

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  Flawless Execution Combat, row 4, 1 rank

  Max rank: Reduces the Energy cost of your Eviscerate ability by 10.

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  Hack and Slash Combat, row 5, 5 ranks

  Max rank: Gives your melee weapon attacks a benefit depending on the weapon. Axe/Sword: Your successful melee attacks have a 5% chance to trigger an extra attack on the target. Dagger/Fist: Increases your critical strike chance by 5%. Mace: Your attacks ignore 15% of your target's armor.

  Replaces Dagger Specialization, Fist Weapon Specialization, Mace Specialization and Sword Specialization.

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  Dirty Tricks Subtlety, row 2, 2 ranks

  Max rank: Reduces the Energy cost of your Sap and Blind abilities by 50%.

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  Improved Distract Subtlety, row 3, 2 ranks

  Max rank: Increases the radius of your Distract ability by 5 yds, and further reduces the Stealth detection of distracted enemies as though they were an additional 2 levels lower.

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  Quietus Subtlety, row 6, 5 ranks

  Max rank: Your Sinister Strike, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities cause 10% more damage against targets below 35% health.

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  Cutthroat Subtlety, row 6, 5 ranks

  Max rank: Your Backstab has a 15% chance to cause your next Ambush within 10 sec to not require Stealth.

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  Thousand Cuts Subtlety, row 7, 1 rank

  Max rank: When your Rupture ability deals periodic damage, the Energy cost of your next Hemorrhage or Backstab ability within 10 sec is reduced by 3, stacking up to 5 times.

Changed talents (31)

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  Improved Gouge Assassination, row 1

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases the effect duration of your Gouge ability by 0.5 sec.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Increases the duration of your Gouge ability by 0.5 sec.

  Position: from Combat, row 1, column 1 to Assassination, row 1, column 1.

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  Remorseless Attacks Assassination, row 1

  Classic Era, rank 1

  After killing an opponent that yields experience or honor, gives you a 20% increased critical strike chance on your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Ghostly Strike. Lasts 20 sec.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  After killing a non-trivial enemy, gives you a 20% increased critical strike chance on your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, Mutilate, or Ghostly Strike. Lasts 20 sec.

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  Malice Assassination, row 1

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases your critical strike chance by 1%.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Increases your critical strike chance with all attacks and Poisons by 1%.

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  Murder Assassination, row 2

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases all damage caused against Humanoid, Giant, Beast and Dragonkin targets by 1%.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Increases all damage dealt by 2% against Humanoid and Giant targets.

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  Improved Expose Armor Assassination, row 3

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases the armor reduced by your Expose Armor ability by 25%.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Reduces the Energy cost of your Expose Armor ability by 5, and refunds 1 Combo Point when cast with 5 Combo Points.

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  Lethality Assassination, row 3

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities by 6%.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Mutilate, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities by 4%.

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  Cold Blood Assassination, row 4

  Classic Era, rank 1

  When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Eviscerate by 100%.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, Eviscerate, or Mutilate by 100%.

  Position: from Assassination, row 5, column 2 to Assassination, row 4, column 2.

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  Improved Poisons Assassination, row 4

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases the chance to apply poisons to your target by 2%.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Increases the chance to apply Poisons to your target by 2%, and gives Poison applications a 10% chance to not consume a charge.

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  Vigor Assassination, row 5

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases your maximum Energy by 10.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Increases your maximum Energy by 5.

  Position: from Assassination, row 7, column 2 to Assassination, row 5, column 1.

  Ranks: 1 in Classic, 2 in Forever.

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  Improved Kidney Shot Assassination, row 5

  Classic Era, rank 1

  While affected by your Kidney Shot ability, the target receives an additional 3% damage from all sources.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Enemies Stunned by your Kidney Shot ability take 5% increased damage from your poisons and attacks.

  Ranks: 3 in Classic, 2 in Forever.

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  Seal Fate Assassination, row 6

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Your critical strikes from abilities that add combo points have a 20% chance to add an additional combo point.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Your critical strikes from abilities that add Combo Points have a 20% chance to add an additional Combo Point.

  The two texts differ only in capitalization, punctuation or spacing.

  Position: from Assassination, row 6, column 2 to Assassination, row 6, column 3.

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  Improved Eviscerate Combat, row 1

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 5%.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 7%.

  Position: from Assassination, row 1, column 1 to Combat, row 1, column 1.

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  Puncturing Wounds Combat, row 2

  Called Improved Backstab in Classic.

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab ability by 10%.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab by 10% and your Mutilate by 5%, and gives Backstab a 15% chance to add an additional Combo Point.

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  Deflection Combat, row 2

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases your Parry chance by 1%.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Increases your Parry chance by 2%.

  Ranks: 5 in Classic, 3 in Forever.

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  Precision Combat, row 2

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases your chance to hit with melee weapons by 1%.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Improves your chance to hit by 1%.

  Ranks: 5 in Classic, 3 in Forever.

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  Endurance Combat, row 3

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Reduces the cooldown of your Sprint and Evasion abilities by 45 sec.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Reduces the cooldown of your Sprint and Evasion abilities by 30%.

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  Dual Wield Specialization Combat, row 4

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases the damage done by your offhand weapon by 10%.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Increases the damage done by your off-hand weapon by 5%.

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  Blade Flurry Combat, row 5

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases your attack speed by 20%. In addition, attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15 sec.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Increases your melee attack speed by 20% and your melee attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15 sec.

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  Weapon Expertise Combat, row 6

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases your skill with Sword, Fist and Dagger weapons by 3.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Reduces the chance for your attacks to be Dodged or Parried by 1%.

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  Aggression Combat, row 6

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases the damage of your Sinister Strike and Eviscerate abilities by 2%.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Increases the damage of your Sinister Strike, Backstab, and Eviscerate abilities by 2%.

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  Camouflage Subtlety, row 1

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases your speed while stealthed by 3% and reduces the cooldown of your Stealth ability by 1 sec.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Reduces your speed penalty from your Stealth ability by 3% and reduces its cooldown by 2 sec.

  Position: from Subtlety, row 2, column 3 to Subtlety, row 1, column 1.

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  Master of Deception Subtlety, row 1

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode as if you were 1 level higher.

  Ranks: 5 in Classic, 3 in Forever.

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  Opportunity Subtlety, row 1

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases the damage dealt when striking from behind with your Backstab, Garrote, or Ambush abilities by 4%.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Increases the damage dealt by your Backstab, Garrote, Ambush, and Mutilate abilities by 5%.

  Ranks: 5 in Classic, 2 in Forever.

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  Setup Subtlety, row 2

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Gives you a 15% chance to add a combo point to your target after dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Gives you a 33% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging one of their attacks or fully resisting one of their spells.

  Position: from Subtlety, row 4, column 1 to Subtlety, row 2, column 1.

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  Initiative Subtlety, row 3

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Gives you a 25% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Gives you a 33% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.

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  Ghostly Strike Subtlety, row 3

  Classic Era, rank 1

  A strike that deals 125% weapon damage and increases your chance to dodge by 15% for 7 sec. Awards 1 combo point.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  A strike that deals 125% (180% if a Dagger is equipped in your Main Hand) weapon damage and increases your chance to dodge by 15% for 7 sec. Awards 1 combo point.

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  Heightened Senses Subtlety, row 4

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Increases your Stealth detection and reduces the chance you are hit by spells and ranged attacks by 2%.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Increases your Stealth detection as if you were 1 level higher and reduces your chance to be hit by spells and ranged attacks by 2%.

  Position: from Subtlety, row 5, column 1 to Subtlety, row 4, column 1.

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  Premeditation Subtlety, row 4

  Classic Era, rank 1

  When used, adds 2 combo points to your target. You must add to or use those combo points within 10 sec or the combo points are lost.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Adds 2 Combo Points to your target. You must add to or use those combo points within 20 sec or the combo points are lost.

  Position: from Subtlety, row 7, column 2 to Subtlety, row 4, column 2.

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  Serrated Blades Subtlety, row 4

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Causes your attacks to ignore 100 of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 10%. The amount of Armor reduced increases with your level.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Causes your attacks to ignore 3% of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 10%.

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  Dirty Deeds Subtlety, row 5

  Classic Era, rank 1

  Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 10.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 10, and your Garrote ability no longer requires you to be behind your target.

  Position: from Subtlety, row 5, column 3 to Subtlety, row 5, column 1.

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  Hemorrhage Subtlety, row 5

  Classic Era, rank 1

  An instant strike that damages the opponent and causes the target to hemorrhage, increasing any Physical damage dealt to the target by up to 3. Lasts 30 charges or 15 sec. Awards 1 combo point.

  WoW Forever, rank 1

  An instant strike that deals 100% weapon damage (145% if a Dagger is equipped) and causes the target to take 15% increased Rupture damage from the Rogue. Lasts 15 sec. Awards 1 Combo Point.

  Position: from Subtlety, row 5, column 4 to Subtlety, row 5, column 3.

Moved talents (2)

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  Vile Poisons Assassination, row 4

  Moved from Assassination, row 4, column 2 to Assassination, row 4, column 1.

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  Improved Ambush Subtlety, row 2

  Moved from Subtlety, row 3, column 3 to Subtlety, row 2, column 4.

Taken out of the talent trees (7)

Combat (4)

• Dagger Specialization 5 ranks in Classic, row 4

  Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Daggers by 1%.

• Mace Specialization 5 ranks in Classic, row 5

  Increases your skill with Maces by 1, and gives you a 1% chance to stun your target for 3 sec with a mace.

• Sword Specialization 5 ranks in Classic, row 5

  Gives you a 1% chance to get an extra attack on the same target after dealing damage with your Sword.

• Fist Weapon Specialization 5 ranks in Classic, row 5

  Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Fist Weapons by 1%.

Subtlety (3)

• Sleight of Hand 2 ranks in Classic, row 2

  Reduces the chance you are critically hit by melee and ranged attacks by 1% and increases the threat reduction of your Feint ability by 10%.

• Improved Sap 3 ranks in Classic, row 4

  Gives you a 30% chance to return to stealth mode after using your Sap ability.

• Deadliness 5 ranks in Classic, row 6

  Increases your Attack Power by 2%.

Unchanged (11)

• Ruthlessness
• Improved Slice and Dice
• Relentless Strikes
• Improved Sinister Strike
• Lightning Reflexes
• Riposte
• Improved Sprint
• Improved Kick
• Adrenaline Rush
• Elusiveness
• Preparation

Spells and the rest

This page covers talents only. For what happened to the Rogue spells, see the Rogue abilities page. Every talent has its own page in the Rogue talent list, and you can plan a build in the Rogue talent calculator.