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Setup, a Subtlety Rogue talent in WoW Forever

Setup is a passive talent in row 2 of the Subtlety tree. It needs 5 points in Subtlety, so the earliest you can take it is level 15 (up to 5 levels sooner with the Legacy perk Talented). It has 3 ranks. It has changed since Classic Era.

Setup

3 ranks

  • Requires 5 points in Subtlety

Gives you a 33% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging one of their attacks or fully resisting one of their spells.

Every rank of Setup

RankText
Rank 1Gives you a 33% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging one of their attacks or fully resisting one of their spells.
Rank 2Gives you a 67% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging one of their attacks or fully resisting one of their spells.
Rank 3Gives you a 100% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging one of their attacks or fully resisting one of their spells.

Numbers in gold changed from the rank above.

Where it sits in the Subtlety tree

CamouflageMaster of DeceptionOpportunitySetupElusivenessDirty TricksImproved AmbushInitiativeGhostly StrikeImproved DistractHeightened SensesPremeditationSerrated BladesDirty DeedsPreparationHemorrhageQuietusCutthroatThousand Cuts
Needs
No prerequisite talent
Unlocks
No talent needs it
Same row
Row above (row 1)
Row below (row 3)

Row numbers are on the left and the number in a corner is a talent's rank count. Gold marks Setup.

Compared with Classic Era

What differs from Classic Era: its rank 1 text and its position.

Position

Classic Era

Subtlety, row 4, column 1

WoW Forever

Subtlety, row 2, column 1

Rank 1 text

Classic Era

Gives you a 15% chance to add a combo point to your target after dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells.

WoW Forever

Gives you a 33% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging one of their attacks or fully resisting one of their spells.

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All Subtlety talents

  1. Camouflage
  2. Master of Deception
  3. Opportunity
  4. Setup
  5. Elusiveness
  6. Dirty Tricks
  7. Improved Ambush
  8. Initiative
  9. Ghostly Strike
  10. Improved Distract
  11. Heightened Senses
  12. Premeditation
  13. Serrated Blades
  14. Dirty Deeds
  15. Preparation
  16. Hemorrhage
  17. Quietus
  18. Cutthroat
  19. Thousand Cuts

The other Rogue trees: Assassination and Combat. Everything that changed for the Rogue since Classic is on the changes page.

Game data from the WoW Forever beta client, build 1.60.1.70291, as published by talentsforever.com (CC BY 4.0) on 2026-10-08 and reformatted by us. Numbers can still change before launch.